StoryPower with Lucinda Sage-Midgorden

Intro: 0:36

Welcome to Story and Horse, a podcast where we hear stories from creative lives. Meet new people, hear about their challenges and triumphs, and get inspired to move forward with your creativity. Now, here's your host, Hilary Adams.

Hilary Adams: 0:59

Hi, thanks for joining me here on the Story and Horse Podcast. I'm your host, Hilary Adams. I'm a coach, theater director and founder of Story and Horse and I work with creative people to get their creativity activated and out into the world. I also have horses as co- coaches. Here on the podcast we meet people live in creative lives and enjoy their stories together and gather inspiration for our own creativeness. Today we are joined by Lucinda Sage Midgorden, the center is a teacher of theatre, a writer, a blogger and a podcaster. Hi Lucinda to thanks so much for joining me here today.

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 1:35

Well, thank you, Hilary. I'm really excited about it.

Hilary Adams: 1:40

I'm excited to let's start off with you sharing a little bit about who you are and what you're up to.

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 1:46

Okay, well, I am a descendant of people who traveled on the Oregon Trail. And I lived in the Pacific Northwest for most of my life until I was graduated from high school. And, yeah, I I've traveled a lot in the United States and my husband and I took a solar house and took a trip circumnavigating the globe in 1996. But how I got hooked on creativity was because of my father, mostly, although my mom was a big reader and she would, you know, push books my way. But we grew up I grew up in a series of really small towns that didn't have movie theaters, or not even public libraries. It was only the library at the school. And of course, we did the holes. What do you call it? Scholastic? Book, fair thing. Yeah, we would buy books there and read them. But I wasn't really a big reader until high school. But I talked with my dad and my family about the movies and television shows that we were watching on television. And he would always ask us questions about what we had seen. How did we like it? And you know, we'd say, well, we liked it. But you couldn't just say, well, we liked it. He would say, Well, what did you like about it? You know, he just kept asking questions and questions. He didn't know, he was using the Socratic method that's a teaching tool is asking lots of questions, because he had dyslexia and dropped out of school, but he was really, really smart and taught himself how to read. And so that was the that was fun. I loved that. And when I got into high school, I fell in love with British literature in my senior year, The Tale of Two Cities and Jane Eyre. And then we also read Hamlet that year. And those three things just kind of hooked me on British literary literature. So for the longest time, I was just reading British literature, although I did graduate from the romance novels that my mom pushed my way to historical novels. And I read quite a few James Michener until I got to Hawaii. And then it was like, I'm really tired of all the descriptions of all these flowers and stuff. So didn't read. I read other historical authors, too. So but all that story consumption talk, especially talking about the movies, because sometimes I'd come home from a game, I was in pep club, I'd come home from a game and watch a really late movie and dad would come out watch it with me, and then we talked about it all weekend, you know. So all of that kind of led me eventually to theater. I my first degree is in religious studies. I didn't really want to be a minister or anything. I was just taking it because I wanted to know the stories of the Bible and you know, how the people lived and all that kind of stuff. So and then I added theater, too, so I have a double major theater in religious studies and and theater was this perfect outgrowth of talking and analyzing about, you know, analyzing talking about movies and television and it was then it was about place. So I loved that. Then I got my I tried to work in the corporate but field for two years, but that just didn't work out very well. So. So my my husband and I had moved to Portland, Oregon after we graduated from college, and I got my master's at Portland State University in theater, and works. Portland, Oregon theatre scene, they had lots of semi professional theatre companies. And the one that I worked at the most was called the the musical company, and it was subsidized by the city. So I worked in their costume shop, making costumes, but I also stage managed and I was in the place. And it was just a really fun experience. I also taught like at the Portland Parks and Rec and the Vancouver, Washington Parks and Rec, which is right across the Columbia River from Portland. I taught little kids trauma. You know, that was fun. Some of them were a little older, and we're homeschool children. So that was also fun. And I would have them write plays, and then we perform them for their parents. That was really fun. So eventually, though, when Barry and I sold our house and took our trip around the world, that was in 1996, we had been discussing for quite some time moving out of Portland. And we were thinking of moving to Southern Oregon. But when right before we left, my father had his second heart bypass surgery and almost died. So we decided since my husband's family, my parents lived in Phoenix and my parents lived in Arizona to that we would just move there, we didn't have house so we could go wherever we wanted. So we moved to Southern Arizona, and we've been here ever since it's almost 26 years, I think now. And I got there, the town that we moved to Sierra Vista is a is a military town. And there wasn't a lot of job, there weren't a lot of jobs for me. So I became a substitute teacher. And then eventually someone, the person who was teaching drama, I discovered that I had a master's degree in theater. And so when she was getting ready to retire, she encouraged me to apply and I got the job. But I didn't have a master's degree in education. So or fortunately, Arizona had this thing where for two years, you could have an emergency certification. And while you were getting your degree, so I signed up for an excuse me, people who love this university, but I unfortunately signed up for the University of Phoenix, but which was not my first choice. I really wanted to go to the University of Arizona, but they were going to make me quit teaching so I could do my student teaching. And University of Phoenix would accept my two years of teaching as my student teaching so so I went there. It wasn't the best educational experience. But I got my master's in education and was able to teach theater for a couple of years. And then I went, I got like college kicked out up, somebody wanted my job. And so they maneuvered me out. And I went to another town not very far away and got to teach English because I had lots of literature credits since I loved literature so much. And that was fun. It was a border town. And a lot of the students came across the border from Mexico to go to school there. And it was just a really fun place to teach because the people there. The parents were really supportive of the teachers and it wasn't quite that way at the other school. So yeah, that's and then I quit teaching there so that I could be a writer. And I started teaching at the college and I've been teaching at the college for 14 years now. So yeah. I teach theater classes. So I taught. I've taught all the classes that they offer. They do it's a community college, so they only have like live classes or something like that other people teach. Somebody else teaches Introduction to Theater. I teach dramatic structure. I've taught the Theater Workshop class, which is a performance class. Acting one and two are concurrent classes. And what's the other one? Seems like there's another one. That's anyway. So yeah, and the Theatre Workshop is unfortunately, the campus that I teach on doesn't have a theater. So we had to use found spaces to perform our plays, but it was fun.

Hilary Adams: 11:10

Theater can be anywhere, right? So you have our blog that you write, yeah,

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 11:16

I have been blogging since 2013. It's sage woman Chronicles at Sage woman dot life. And I started it because when I first started writing, in 2008, I didn't really know much about how to be a writer, I hadn't taken any writing classes, really. So I needed to practice. And that's why I started my blog. In 20, I think it was 2017, I published my first novel The space between time, it's, I got the idea, actually, when we were visiting my mom and dad. And since my dad is my mentor, I, I realized that while we were visiting, that he has heart issues were causing him to go downhill health wise. And I wanted to write a story about a father and a daughter. That's how it started off, of course, excuse me, it changed a lot in there, but there are two timelines. And I incorporate the whole thing about the Oregon Trail, since my family background was, you know, five generations back, people going on the Oregon Trail. So there's that that component, then there's the person in the present who's related to that woman who Tran travels. So it's two women protagonist. I also. So out of that out of the blog out of the book, story power, my podcast has emerged. That was in 2020. And then now I have a Patreon community where I'm trying to get more people to talk about stories.

Hilary Adams: 13:20

Can you give us the people listening? While we're talking about this? Can you tell us the links, just tell us some of the locations where they can find these connections, the blog and maybe your website?

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 13:32

My website is Sage Women Chronicles, www dot sage woman dot life

Hilary Adams: 13:38

and you can access the book?

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 13:41

Well, actually, I have a children's book, too, that we wrote for, that I wrote for our nephew and my husband illustrated years ago, he's almost 40. Now my goodness. But we used it as our How do you publish a book. It's called Scott a source the little dinosaur. And then. So that book and the space between time is available there. You can also access my podcast story power there. The show notes are there. I don't think the show notes show up on Apple, Google and Spotify. But you can go to the website to find those show notes for that. So I'm, let's see, I'm about to publish episode 49. Next week, I only do it every other week. Because when I'm teaching I don't really have time to. And now that I have the Patreon community, it's also I'm quite busy. And just learning how to do Patreon. I've only it's only been about a month since I started that.

Hilary Adams: 14:51

Do you find that when you work with students in theater, that they connect with us? It's a way for them to connect with story sort of the power of story?

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 15:01

Mm hmm. Yeah, because, you know, even if they're taking acting for acting is the one that they take for an elective most of the time. But even when they're taking that class, it's a way for them not only to connect with story, but also why humans do what they do. And so I also encourage them to think about well, you know, when you're out in the real world, you if you develop the skills about how to figure out why the characters are doing what they're doing. Maybe you can apply that to the person that's yelling at you at work, you know, oh, you know, maybe they're not really angry at you, maybe it's something else that's going on with them. So it I'm hoping that they learned some real life skills when they take those classes.

Hilary Adams: 15:52

Yeah, it's like applying fiction to reality.

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 15:56

And having some empathy too Yeah,

Hilary Adams: 16:00

yeah. Walking in other people's shoes, literally, when we're

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 16:03

Exactly, exactly.

Hilary Adams: 16:06

Yeah. Putting on those characters. I always think if you're, if you have an opportunity as an adult, or a young person to act, or to do any part of theater, and you literally get to be in these other stories, these stories of other lives. Yeah, it makes a very big difference. Expanding exercising those muscles that empathy and compassion.

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 16:29

Yeah, no, yeah, really? Yeah. It's so I, yeah, I love. I loved directing plays, too. I didn't direct any plays until I started teaching high school. But I had taken directing class, of course, more than once. So. So that was a fun thing was to also help this student actors kind of analyze the play, and, and then again, it's that whole, if they're in a play, then it's that same thing where they get a chance to have some empathy and realize that oh, you know, everybody gets angry, everybody, you know, everybody. Everybody can find love everybody can you know, whatever the story is about. And they can apply the skills to their real life.

Hilary Adams: 17:28

Yeah, take the lab.

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 17:30

It is. That's right. That's a good way to think of it. It is like a lab. Yeah. So when I directed Measure for Measure, which I happen to think I wanted to, to direct right before the Harvey Weinstein thing happened, and then the Harvey Weinstein thing happened. And I went, Oh, well, I guess I have to direct that play. Because it's the Shakespeare version of me too. I didn't, I'd never directed a Shakespeare play before. And that's how I met my co teacher who is a theatre professional. And so he helped me with that. And now he has, he has his master's, and he's going to take over my classes. So very excited about that. Yeah.

Hilary Adams: 18:14

When you're talking about your childhood, if you don't mind sharing, I'm always curious about sort of the origins of creativity for people who are living creative lives. So when you were when you were little, I know, I heard that there were books in your life, which I hear a lot from people, there's a lot of story in a lot of books. And both of your parents it sounded like we're supportive of creativity of that smear activity. For you. Where did you start as a young as a little one? Did you start as a writer or reader or like, how did your creativity kind of express itself when you were little?

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 18:52

Um, I was not a writer at all. Um, I think it actually what it what I remember, I'm pretty old now. So sometimes going back and remembering is a little difficult. But what I remember is when we moved from Portland, Portland area to this little tiny town across from the Dalles, Oregon, called dallas fort, it was in Washington, and across the Columbia River, and I, I in seventh grade. We, we were I was in fifth grade when we moved there. But when I was in seventh grade, they had a school play, even though those schools really small, I mean, it was like, less than 200 students probably. But they wanted to have a school play. And so I auditioned for it. I didn't get a part. But I did get a backstage job. And so for some reason, I don't know why I did this. I learned the whole entire play. In case something happened in you know,

Hilary Adams: 20:09

you assign yourself to be the understudy of everyone,

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 20:13

right? Yeah. So who is assisting the principal who was directing it? He was such a great guy. I loved him so much. And then it turned out that he was the principal in another town that we moved to later. Oh, wow. Yeah, so I learned all the lines. And I helped backstage, I can't remember what my job was. And at the end of the school year, I got this drama award little drama. I think I even still still have that little drama pin that I got. And he told everybody that I had learned all the lines. And, you know, I was so embarrassed. But it was really great. You know, because it was so fun. I wanted to do more of that. Well, you know, we lived in all these little towns that didn't have any theater classes, no drama, no plays, no nothing. So I think it was when we moved to South of Spokane. The school was called Freeman, it was like this. Everybody was farmers and stuff. Their parents were farmers sent most of the people that went to the school. Again, it was only about 200 students. I graduated with a class of 48 graduating class, and they wanted to do a senior play. Well, I didn't get a part again. But again, I was working backstage, and it was really fun. It was just so much. I didn't learn all the lines in that one. But I enjoyed doing that a lot. So then when I went, I worked for four years before I went to college. So then when I went to college, and I started my religious studies degree, I was I went through a really difficult second year. And someone suggested to me that I try out for some place. And so I did. And that's how it all started really was that and my journaling helped me through that really tough time, because I was the only woman in the religious studies major, and it was a Christian college and it was the 70s. And you know, all the men thought that well, who was I to be a religious studies major, and it was difficult. I loved that. I loved that those studies. And I loved my theater. So I added theater later

Hilary Adams: 22:45

be re added theater later, really right. So I kept working

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 22:48

in the theater. But I mean, I added the major. Yeah, later, and I was taking some classes and I was but I was trying out for all the plays where I was working backstage and all the plays after that.

Hilary Adams: 23:00

Thank you for sharing that story. I'm struck by how the principal cared so much and gave you that pin that you still remember, for although it was embarrassing, it was

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 23:14

I don't remember a whole lot of my teachers names, but I remember his name, Mr. Hempel. And when we moved to we moved a lot after we moved to Wilbur Washington, which is in the central part of Washington, which it was a rival school to Freeman. So I went to Wilbur High School from freshman to sophomore year. Then we moved to Fremont High schools, junior and senior year, rival schools. But he was but Mr. Hempel was the principal of Wilbur. And so he knew me nobody, none of the kids knew this. And there were some incidences that happened where I ended up in the principal's office. And these girls were saying all these things about me, and he's just gone. No, I know her from before from another school. I know that Wait, you're saying, oh my gosh, he was so angry with me. And I was like, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to cause to all this problem. Because I was kind of stupid and said some stuff. But he was like, no, no.

Hilary Adams: 24:31

You must want hard to move around that much. That's a tough, that's tough for a kid. Yeah, it

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 24:37

was a little tough. But my dad was a machinist. And sometimes he'd lose his job. And so, you know, he'd have to go find another job someplace. Yeah, that was he was always trying to improve himself. And he had these really great skills. Eventually, after I graduated from college, or high school, excuse me. Before I went to college, he got hired at the Bremerton shipyards. And so and he became a tool and die maker and so he worked there for 16 or so years because he had been in the Air Force for for where he got his skills. He went to the Air Force so he could learn some skills. And so my sisters didn't have to my younger sisters didn't have have to move around. But my brother and I got moved to round a lot. And you know, but it was good, because I learned to kind of sit back, look at the lay of the land, how things worked at that school. And then oh, I can fit in here. I can fit in there. You know. So it taught me some great life skills. But it was kind of hard to say goodbye to my friends all the time, because now I have no friends from high school that I keep in contact with.

Hilary Adams: 26:02

Yeah, cuz there wasn't time. Right? Yeah. When you said you were looking back at the landscape, it is thinking about story, like sort of like it's a story that's already unfolding. You have to sort of fit yourself in to the story,

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 26:14

right? Yeah. Right. Because those almost every school we went to all those kids had grown up together. You know, my brother. Yeah, my brother and I were the New Kids on the Block all the time. So my brother's an extrovert, though, so it didn't really bother him. But, you know, it was kind of hard on me. Yeah.

Hilary Adams: 26:38

Yeah. Probably you were in a sort of big family, too.

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 26:42

Well, yeah, there's eight years between my brother and the older of my two sisters. I'm 13 years older than my youngest sister. So it's sort of like mom and dad had two families, you know, because my brother and I went away to college. And then my sisters were still in elementary school. When we went when we moved out. So

Hilary Adams: 27:05

yeah, so it really was sort of two different experiences.

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 27:10

Yeah. And now my youngest sister and I are like best friends. So call each other. And we call each other all the time and tactics. Oh, that's wonderful. Yeah, it is this Yeah.

Hilary Adams: 27:24

So for people listening, who you've done so many different things that I keep hearing intersections of story and history, including even in the, in the literature that you enjoyed, and things that I'm just thinking about, for people who are listening who are looking for inspiration and creativity. Or their suggestions about how they might use their ancestors or their history or their life experience in their

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 27:55

creative expressions? Yeah, that's a great question. And I am a big believer in everybody has a genius of some sort. And we're all creative beings. Because we're created, okay, this can sound really, really weird. But we're all created in the image of God, I'm not a Christian anymore, really, I believe, but I am spiritual, I have a spiritual life. And I really believe that, that we are all little pieces of God and God's creative. So every person is creative. And it might not be it might not look like, like you're an you might not be an artist, a visual artist, or you might not be a writer or the traditional creative expressions. But you might be a great gardener, my sister in law, my brother's wife, is this fantastic gardener and her yard? Is this showplace? I mean, you just want to sit there and look at all the beautiful flowers and trees. And I mean, it's gorgeous. I am not a gardener, we live in the country. And you know, we got the grass that oh, we don't do anything. We don't do any landscaping. The animals don't care that they come through our yard anyway. But you know, or you could be I mean, some, some people who I do not relate to, might think of a new way to keep the books, you know, a new accounting method, or, I mean, there are just so many ways to be creative. My my youngest sister's really good cook, she just loves trying new recipes, that's creative. She's also really good at decorating her house. So I mean, there are just so many ways to be creative. And I always say just what is your passion? What are you passionate about? And go try that. See if that's your little creative outlet? Whatever that might be. I have a friend that I taught with at the high school who loves yoga, and I think she even started her own yoga studio. Mmm, that's creative. Being a business owner is creative. Thank you. I agree, I would say applied creativity. In every aspect of your life, it's sort of more of a verb like, like, activating creativity inside of your life. All parts of it, I was thinking about your father and about how creative he was, as a mechanic, and then as in working in the shipyards. And like die making and everything that's creative. Yeah, he got an award for creating a tool that they needed. At some point. Yeah. So he and one thing that I remember, this has nothing to do with storytelling, really. But when we bought our house in a, in Portland, it had a one car garage. And the house was pretty small. It was 1949 house only had two bedrooms, and we wanted an office. So my dad came, my mom and dad were retired by them. And they came and my dad, pretty much it was my dad, and I remodeled the one car garage. Because Barry was working and he would help on the weekends and stuff. But during the day, it was dad and me. remodeling the garage into a family office. Oh, fun. So yeah, I knew he, you know, he wasn't really great at math, but he could figure out you know, how to measure and how to do all you know, all the how to make it perfect. Well, wasn't exactly perfect, but it was close. It was close to perfect. So yeah, you got a fun experience doing it. Yeah. Cuz I had learned how to use power tools when I was doing my theater degree, you know? So

Hilary Adams: 32:27

it's a fun collaborative memory to have. Yeah. Yeah. That's very fun. For so for people listening, if they're, if they're stuck in some way, and they're looking for inspiration, perhaps looking into their past might be helpful.

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 32:46

I think so too. Yeah. Because I mean, I think we take but it's kind of goes through the DNA is so we have the, you know, the creativity or the emotional bent of our ancestors in some way. And yeah,

Hilary Adams: 33:07

For some reason that Oregon Trail keeps coming back when we talk and I can't tell you why I'm just getting that. I'm getting that. That hit very hard from that. I keep thinking for some reason that's with you. So they just think about how sometimes stories such as I think we do carry our ancestors stories in some way for with us.

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 33:28

Yeah, it was fun doing the research on that. And it man being on the Oregon Trail was particularly difficult for women. Cuz, you know, cycles and, you know, and going to the bathroom, and you know, stuff like that. Man can just, you know. And so to find out a little tidbit, like the women would make circle, a big circle, and then each of them would take turns doing their business, you know? Yeah, that was pretty. That was pretty interesting. But yeah, that was difficult. It was really particularly difficult for women on the Oregon Trail, and not being able to bathe very often. Trying to find water, I mean.

Hilary Adams: 34:25

Yeah, and yet compelled by the desire or the need the circumstance to do the travel.

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 34:33

Yeah. And it wasn't a cheap thing, either. I mean, we think of people who go there as being the poor looking for land and it was really more the kind of middle class people who went the poor people really couldn't afford to do it. Because you had to buy so many supplies. And there were places along the Oregon Trail where you could resupply, like at some of the forts and things like that, but you had to have money to do it. You couldn't just you know, say I'm gonna go and then go because you had to buy your bag and

Hilary Adams: 35:14

stuff. Because we think moving is difficult now, right?

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 35:20

Yes, and 14 fording rivers and stuff was really dangerous and

Hilary Adams: 35:26

yeah, that would be applied creative. Today, it's Max. Yeah, I think that's why creativity is one of our primary languages is because of that it helped us survive. Right? circumstances that still can.

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 35:44

Yeah. Well, somebody had to be creative to think about how to create a fire the first time.

Hilary Adams: 35:52

Bad or accidental, depending on

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 35:55

Yeah, but But then going, oh, you know we can keep this fire going if we do

Hilary Adams: 36:04

you think that very first fire they somebody accidentally or whatever they made and like it probably happened to more than one place but the person's like, oh, wow, we want to keep this and like accident, at least snuffed it out or something? Can you imagine? They know really, dear, repeat that. We wrap up, is there anything else I want you to circle back, please. And tell us how to reach you and your pod. Tell us about your podcast and your blogging your site and your books. So I want to make sure we have that information. And then if there's also anything else you'd like to

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 36:37

share, my podcast and my books are available on my website at Sage woman Chronicles on WordPress at Sage woman dot life. And they the podcast story power is available on Apple, Google and Spotify. I also just interviewed someone who said I could put it up on Internet Movie Database. And I was like, so excited because that's one of my favorite. You know, whenever I watch a movie, I have to go to Internet Movie Database and read all the trivia about it. So, but I'm also going to put it up on YouTube, I have a YouTube channel. So I'll just make like a little offshoot of my channel for story power. And so that's all part of my summer projects. And then I have a Patreon community@patreon.com slash story, power all one word, with s and p capitalized. So I just started that. I only have three patrons right now. But I have a lot of authors that I have interviewed on story power over the 18 months or however many months it's been since I started it. And I have a lot of artists that I've interviewed. And so I have a lot of thing, a lot of things that I can use for content for that. And I'm just interested in connecting with people on talking story. That's, that's why I started the Patreon community because I get to talk to one person when I'm doing the podcast, but I'd like to talk to four or five or six or eight or 10 people you know, and have live chats with authors and artists and about their work. And yeah, I just talked with a friend of mine that I really wanted to be His name is Alan Potter, and he is a potter. And I said oh, that's characterizing name, we would call that a characterizing name in the theater. But he creates these cute little whimsical characters, animal characters. And so yeah, they're really fun. It's, let's see, what is the name of his website, Alan Potter, the last Potter or something like that. And so I want to have pictures of his pottery on my Patreon community. And, you know, I'm still figuring out how to use Patreon. And how to, you know, promote people's work and that kind of thing. But it's, you know, I'm one of those people, Oh, I get this idea. And then I go, Oh, I'm gonna dive off the end of the world and figure out how to do that. So.

Hilary Adams: 39:28

So are there any last thoughts that you'd like to share with the Story and Horse listeners,

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 39:32

I've just, I'm just having fun. And thank you so much for having me on your show. I love the name of your podcast, Story and Horse,

Hilary Adams: 39:41

Story and Horse but the intersection of the two things that I love stories versus, for me that place the intersection where creativity happens, which is the invisible or the invisible turns visible. So our embodied story experience of our life and horse as a symbolic metaphor of our wild spirit, the spirit that we're all connected to however, we wish to phrase that and name that. So that's why Story and Horse is named Yes,

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 40:10

I love it.

Hilary Adams: 40:13

Thank you so much for joining me here today. And for everyone who's listening if you want to reach me, I'm at story and horse.com and at Story and Horse on Facebook and Instagram. This has been a real joy talking with you. Thank you.

Lucinda Sage Midgorden: 40:27

I've had so much fun here. Are you thank you

Outro: 40:30

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